Old-timer 1992 Steyr - HELP for registration

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We are a couple from Vancouver, Canada. We fell in love with our 1992 Steyr (with Krug box) and bought her in January of 2024. We are currently in the process of trying to register this truck in France.

(Background - as non-EU people we could open a company in France and register in a CSI type company, which we did and we received temporary registration in April 2024).

France's DREAL department is stuck on one piece of paper which is a Certificate of Conformity. They somehow accepted that we could not give them an EU Certificate of Conformity as this truck was built before there was a European Union and their conformity. We are now looking for a piece of paper for our Steyr that came off the Austrian assembly line in 1992 that shows she was road worthy and met the standards.

I have contacted Marcus Beyer from MAN truck documentation and they referred me to: heritage@steyr-automotive.com

I am unable to obtain a response to get documentation for our truck. Does anyone have any recommendations for us? At the moment our temporary registration has expired and as such our truck is in storage in France.

The truck is an 'old-timer' or 'heritage' vehicle and we are trying to find some documentation.

THANK YOU!
Janine & Dave
(please email me if you have recommendations janine@fourgrant.ca)
 
Russel said:
See if you can get any help from X-Cap
They specialise in the Styer struck.
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Hello - We have given the document that we were asked to fill in to Excap - who did the upgrades to our truck - they declined to help. Which was incredibly disappointing.
 
I feel that there must be a solution to this issue as there are so many Steyr Motorhomes out there that also pre date 1993. All of these must of had the same issues as yourself.

Many of these campers are German registered . I would start with joining the some of the Herman forums such as


There is probably only a handful of Steyr trucks registered in the UK.

Another issue is French red tape and Bureaucracy. They are world famous for it. Have you considered trying to get it registered in another country such as Germany .

I registered an ex military vehicle in Germany in 2012. The vehicle , a Mercedes 1017, had never been registered.

The TUV station can do it all on the day of a test . They can re classify to Motor Caravan and issue the registration.

The route is took was to convert it it Motor Caravan first . This then meant I did not need a COC as Type approval in Europe only came into place for Motor Caravans in 2009, and my vehicle pre dated that being 1988.

If you vehicle is registered as a Motor Caraven, you shouldn't need a COC.

If it is classed as another body type such as Heavy Truck etc then it might do.

I think the French Authorities are being pedantic, which is not unusual. I think you are trying to get it registered in the hardest country in Europe.

I am assuming you have contacted Steyr themselves

Contact - Steyr Automotive

steyr-automotive.com steyr-automotive.com

Good luck

Neil
 
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Grant_clan08 said:
Hello - We have given the document that we were asked to fill in to Excap - who did the upgrades to our truck - they declined to help. Which was incredibly disappointing.
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That is very disappointing.
Unfortunately France is not an easy country to register a post production modified vehicle. Germany has hoops to jump through but easier and Spain is near impossible unless built there by a registered approved builder.
If you can’t resolve this I suggest registering in the UK.
 
Cloud 9 said:
I feel that there must be a solution to this issue as there are so many Steyr Motorhomes out there that also pre date 1993. All of these must of had the same issues as yourself.

Many of these campers are German registered . I would start with joining the some of the Herman forums such as


There is probably only a handful of Steyr trucks registered in the UK.

Another issue is French red tape and Bureaucracy. They are world famous for it. Have you considered trying to get it registered in another country such as Germany .

I registered an ex military vehicle in Germany in 2012. The vehicle , a Mercedes 1017, had never been registered.

The TUV station can do it all on the day of a test . They can re classify to Motor Caravan and issue the registration.

The route is took was to convert it it Motor Caravan first . This then meant I did not need a COC as Type approval in Europe only came into place for Motor Caravans in 2009, and my vehicle pre dated that being 1988.

If you vehicle is registered as a Motor Caraven, you shouldn't need a COC.

If it is classed as another body type such as Heavy Truck etc then it might do.

I think the French Authorities are being pedantic, which is not unusual. I think you are trying to get it registered in the hardest country in Europe.

I am assuming you have contacted Steyr themselves

Contact - Steyr Automotive

steyr-automotive.com steyr-automotive.com

Good luck

Neil
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Hello Neil

Thank you for your detailed reply. At the moment, our truck is in France with temporary French registration. We have had her deregistered in Germany as neither myself or my husband are EU citizens and owning a vehicle in Germany as Canadians is not possible from all the angles we looked at

France gave us the ability to do so. So what now has occurred is we are still trying to complete their check list of forms. We had these documents given to us and asked ExCap to fill in (no reply). I'm trying to find a solution - I have included the English version and if I can locate where I can send to for Steyr or any other department or company?

I have attached these files in English for anyone to see and provide further input! I will send to Steyr-automotive also now.

Thank you again!
Janine
 

Attachments

Who assembled your vehicle?
Reading through the conformity list you need the company that built and fitted your camper unit with all other parts to fill this all in and put their name to it.
Some of the list is not applicable due to the vehicle age and never had this equipment.
If the vehicle was registered in Germany then most of this should be registered with its TUV.
 
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Russel said:
Who assembled your vehicle?
Reading through the conformity list you need the company that built and fitted your camper unit with all other parts to fill this all in and put their name to it.
Some of the list is not applicable due to the vehicle age and never had this equipment.
If the vehicle was registered in Germany then most of this should be registered with its TUV.
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Hello ExCAP did the vehicle and we have asked and they have declined doing this. We also asked KRUG who put the camper together to do their part and they declined.
I have all the TUV documents from Germany and submitted those to France. I appreciate your input and understanding - I'm not sure how to get either company to assist at this point.
 
Grant_clan08 said:
Hello ExCAP did the vehicle and we have asked and they have declined doing this. We also asked KRUG who put the camper together to do their part and they declined.
I have all the TUV documents from Germany and submitted those to France. I appreciate your input and understanding - I'm not sure how to get either company to assist at this point.
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So EXCap rebuilt the truck and did their usual complete renovation?
Did the vehicle then go to Krug to fit and finish all the other parts.
I am just trying to get an understanding of how it was all done so I can try give advice if I can.
 
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Whilst France is notoriously bad for registering vehicles, you do seem to have jumped the usual hoop - a non-resident registering a vehicle in France.

The heritage certificate looks to be the missing link - I would be inclined to pursue Steyr’s heritage dept further as whatever country registers it will need that document.

Whilst your outfitters response is unfortunate, neither can provide the data you need regarding manufacture, so I suspect that is a dead-end regardless.

Is there a recognised owners club that can assist?

Pete
 
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markv said:
These two names and email addresses may be of help to you

Günther Heiden, Managing Director
Mail: guenther.heiden@steyr-automotive.com
Phone: +43 664 2500962

For customer service issues please contact:
Hr. Thomas Führer
Mail: thomas.fuehrer@steyr-automotive.com
Phone: +43 664 88 96 2871
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Thank you - I shall contact them
safetypete said:
Whilst France is notoriously bad for registering vehicles, you do seem to have jumped the usual hoop - a non-resident registering a vehicle in France.

The heritage certificate looks to be the missing link - I would be inclined to pursue Steyr’s heritage dept further as whatever country registers it will need that document.

Whilst your outfitters response is unfortunate, neither can provide the data you need regarding manufacture, so I suspect that is a dead-end regardless.

Is there a recognised owners club that can assist?

Pete
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Thank you Pete - we are working on the "heritage" - old timer designation in France - trying to register her as that now. Something like an old vehicle from Canada that could be imported. So we are working on that also. I will contact the two people from Steyr as MarkV suggested also
 
The reason I didnt suggest UK is because its 40 years here, not 30 like in France.

Once done you wont need a CT unless you decide to sell in France, and it will be exempt from most, if not all, French emissions restrictions, so worth persevering with 👍
 
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safetypete said:
The reason I didnt suggest UK is because its 40 years here, not 30 like in France.

Once done you wont need a CT unless you decide to sell in France, and it will be exempt from most, if not all, French emissions restrictions, so worth persevering with 👍
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what is a CT?
 
Control Technique…….its a bi-annual inspection that vehicles have in France, its like the annual MOT test in UK.

Historic vehicles are exempt whilst in your ownership, but if you sell it in France you need to get one done.

There is a fb group called Registering Vehicles in France which may help, altho your issue isnt one that they can help with, essentially someone isnt replying to your email !

Where are you keeping it in France?
 
safetypete said:
Control Technique…….its a bi-annual inspection that vehicles have in France, its like the annual MOT test in UK.

Historic vehicles are exempt whilst in your ownership, but if you sell it in France you need to get one done.

There is a fb group called Registering Vehicles in France which may help, altho your issue isnt one that they can help with, essentially someone isnt replying to your email !

Where are you keeping it in France?
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Hello - she is currently stored inside near Dijon France. We are working on registering in France with Heritage registration. Everything takes time.
 
UPDATE to all that replied. We applied for Classic Car registration in France to bypass all the DREAL isues with the Certificate of Confirmity. We are awaiting the response from the Classic Car registration as they have 8 weeks to get back to us and we have another 2 weeks of that period to wait. What a challenge this process has been. We are Canadian and did not know another method for this. As it turns out our goal was to be able to use our truck and then sell it on in the future and ANYONE from any country can buy the company and thus the truck comes with the company. It's a hand over of a company. We committed to this and hopefully we will be able to continue in 2025 with the 100% carte Grise. Thank you for all your input.
 
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